I didn't argue that macOS was open. Do you think we may have progressed into a more inauthentic contemporary world? From your response I don't get the impression that you understand my point at all. I understand your point completely - I agree that having datasheets publicly available certainly provides a level of transparency. Invest in tin-foil hat manufacturers. 2. Perhaps we have different definitions of a closed system. My definition of a "closed system" differs from yours. The problem is that you're already trusting Apple by buying their system which is inherently closed. In my area it's more than just maintenance, it's a [complete overhaul. 'I Understand Totally' Or 'I Totally Understand'? Thanks for the detailed response. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I totally understand your point, es1. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. However, do you feel that in the context of our very modern society that it may be harder? Ever Wish You Were Aware of a Hot New Sector Before It Experiences Explosive Growth? By having the datasheet and the kernel source code you can see how the chips are being used by the operating system. Totally understand your point. What? > Knowing the datasheet = Knowing exactly how the chips are being used. Unknown links are censored to prevent spreading illicit content. I just said, if they're going to replace components with public datasheets with a magical black box lacking any public datasheet, I don't like that. You don't. by /u/Mosox42 removed from /r/HistoryPorn within 1649-1659min I just think if JNJ or MMM decided to buy KBLB, they would have to know going in roughly how much they "could" earn from KBLB fibers in every potential realm from sutures to parachutes to ropes to bullet proof vests to clothing etc., etc., etc. ]1, 1: www.*levelan*.c*m/community/2020/07/*level*nd-*e*g*ts-**rks-*o*re**-in**osts-on-fede*al-c*n*e**-d*cre**bringi*g-*ewers-i**o-c*mp***nce-*it*-**e*n*wat**-act.html. So what? We have spent a lot time together as of recent. Knowing the datasheet just gives you the functionality definition and capabilities of a particular chipset. Without datasheets, it's nearly impossible to replace the system firmware with a different implementation. The point is we completely understand your problem. You have no insight into the source code. [1]. I have not stated otherwise. That is not what I'm claiming at all. used for saying that you understand what someone is trying to say, especially when you disagree with it I see your point , but I don’t think there’s anything we can do at the moment . I think Apple is still releasing the XNU source, so you should be able to glean some information about the device functionality from the kernel module source code (assuming that is also published). "I can understand [or appreciate] how you might feel that way." I completely understand your point; that for Sartre that choice would always be there, there is no ‘impossible’ in relation to living authentically, that is is just choice. > I understand your point completely - I agree that having datasheets publicly available certainly provides a level of transparency. {{ article.headline | getDecodedUnicode }} I completely understand your concerns, and I feel that there is a need for effort and a certain degree of consistency within the European Union itself on this issue. GP's argument about "closed system" is moot when you're talking about using an inherently closed system - meaning, OS + Hardware. Edgar (US Regulatory) - 11/10/2020 4:32:39 PM, InvestorsHub NewsWire - 9/14/2020 8:45:00 AM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 8/24/2020 5:21:46 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 7/31/2020 4:31:51 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 6/2/2020 4:49:32 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 4/21/2020 5:03:00 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 4/20/2020 4:31:34 PM, InvestorsHub NewsWire - 4/16/2020 8:00:00 AM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 3/27/2020 4:32:58 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 3/20/2020 4:31:09 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 3/17/2020 5:01:24 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 2/27/2020 4:06:32 PM, Edgar (US Regulatory) - 11/13/2019 4:13:59 PM, Recent Accretive Acquisition, Up-listing to NASDAQ and an FDA Approved Product, Feature Report, Securities Registration Statement (s-1/a). The only way you can have a 100% open system is if it's open source hardware and something like RISCV (IMHO). Also datasheets are what Realtek, for example, wants to publicize. If you also happen to lack the OS/kernel source code, then you have to resort to black box reverse engineering. I … The ability to see the world from another's point of view or otherwise apprehend how another, given his or her situation and experience, might take a particular position does not imply endorsement or agreement. Let's agree to ignore vendors going to the additional effort of putting in intentional back doors in their chips for the moment. {{ article.date }} {{ article.time }}. Forums Grammar & Sentence Structure 1 38,684 + 0. It was entirely about Apple replacing components with datasheets with a component lacking a datasheet. macOS is a completely closed OS with literally zero information about how these discrete chips may be used. I mean, even if you buy a Librium you're still getting a "closed" system because there are binary blobs such as microcode updates that run on it. I didn't claim Apple should provide the VHDL files of the T2. That's not the issue I'm discussing in any of my comments. Knowing the datasheet = Knowing exactly how the chips are being used. Should I say "I understand totally", or "I totally understand"? > GP's argument about "closed system" is moot when you're talking about using an inherently closed system - meaning, OS + Hardware. From your response I don't get the impression that you understand my point at all. [1] https://github.com/opensource-apple/xnu. None of my comments have been about the internal operations of these chips or what nefarious nation states or three letter agencies may or may not be doing. I completely understand your predicament, Tom. Yes, I know that, and therefore I completely understand your anxiety. © • {{ article.symbol }} • Anyway, with a datasheet for the motherboard components there's a reasonable chance that someone could get coreboot working on the board. 2020 Once school starts again, we will b No, it's moot for your specific definition of a closed system. > The datasheet provides you with the API to the hardware, but you have no idea how Apple would be using the microphone for example - whether it is T2 chip or Realtek. Therefore you CANNOT KNOW the "functionality definition and capabilities of" the T2 inside the iMac Pro except by the methods I describe above (either source code inspection or black box reverse engineering). My point was that Apple is replacing standard components used in PC designs since decades with a black box and not publishing a data sheet. Hello, I have some questions, I want to know if they are grammatically correct 1. Message details and change history for this message post by natural25: I totally understand your point. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. that is deliberately left out of the datasheet? > Knowing the datasheet just gives you the functionality definition and capabilities of a particular chipset. > Also datasheets are what Realtek, for example, wants to publicize. The datasheet provides you with the API to the hardware, but you have no idea how Apple would be using the microphone for example - whether it is T2 chip or Realtek. How would you know if there is additional functionality built into the controller for backdoors, etc. I totally understand your point, es1. Removals of comment and submissions sighted by removalbot, Press J to jump to the feed. I think we went overboard because of the free time I had over the holidays. 10-08 05:45 - 'Totally understand your point. That's not true at all. Featured Apple is still, to my knowledge, not publishing any datasheets for the T2. Synonyms and related words My point was that Apple is replacing standard components used in PC designs since decades with a black box and not publishing a data sheet. My comment was specifically about how lacking a datasheet for the T2 is going to make using the computer with Linux (and without forcing the T2 into "terribly insecure" mode) much more difficult.